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Foden v Mount
Figures from Transfermarkt
Mason Mount – Born Jan 1999
Youth leagues, Premier league 2 & youth cups : 3,434 minutes
Professional minutes – 6,991 minutes
Eredivisie, Championship, cups, champions league
Professional Minutes – 710 minutes
Total appearances non youth appearances: 95
Total non youth goals: 28
Champions league minutes: 103
Phil Foden – Born May 28 2000
Youth leagues, Premier league 2 & youth cups : 2,729 minutes
Professional minutes – 2,376 minutes
cups, champions league
Professional Minutes – 380 minutes
Total appearances non youth appearances: 40
Total non youth goals: 8
Champions league minutes: 328
I hope Chelsea get Mason evaluated after this season, they may have 500 million pounds on the books. The media can suck off Guardiola as much as they want but as long as Foden remains the perfect of example of how to Ben Woodburn 2.0 a player, he can wax lyrical as much as he wants it cannot disguise that at this rate Phil Foden will fall behind and anyone kidding themselves that City will not buy a player to step in front of Foden next year, has definitely not seen the disappearing acts of every other youth Man city player, there is a reason these players are heading out, yes competition is fierce but youth players of true quality do tend to always come through, Sancho left City and immediately become Dortmund’s second coming ( 2 months older btw).
As much as Guardiola promoted Thiago, Busquets, Pedro and Jeffrein ( yeah google it) he also partially did it as a power play, he flooded the dressing room and the extra squad spaces made by player sales with talented youth but also youth that had his back, to weight out the dressing room and get his ideals across, he attempted a similar system at Bayern Munich, utilising Kimmich and Thiago again ( brought from Barca).At City however, the system they have built there has been buying Pep Guardiola archetypal players 2 or so seasons in advance, he has been flooding his squad with talent, a squad clear in the knowledge that they would play for Pep, this leaves marginal room nor any need to flood the dressing room and play out the youngsters. He is a great manager but he will not play young players with games on the line if he can help it, Foden cannot make the last 6 minutes of a casual 3-0 rub out of mid table sides, he needs minutes, and constantly pandering to the English Media and the F365 Guardiola gang by saying such pretty things about a nice young lad is only hiding the fact that he doesn’t plan on giving them to him.
Guardiola may have a generational talent on his hand, he may just have a brilliant player on his hand, he may even just have Patrick Roberts doppelganger, but calling any of these things a priceless footballer when you won’t even give him 5 minutes at the end of the game is silly, people should be worried no matter how much it means F365 have to actually put down their yellow tinted catalunya free glasses.
CHO has only 1000 minutes less and he is a year younger and has had a 5 month injury.
Leroy Sane at the age of 20 was signed by Man City for 40 million pounds to go on to playing 2,600 minutes, score 9 goals and make 37 appearances. To do that this season Phil Foden would have to play another 2500 minutes across all all 37 potential matches that Man City have left ( assuming they make at least the round of 16 of the champs league) averaging 68 minutes a game.
At this rate of play, assuming further advancement in the league cup, Phil Foden will meet Jadon Sancho current playtime 4 weeks before the end of the season.
Nicholas Otamendi has been ghosted past by Raul Jimenez more times in one week than Phil Foden has made Premier league appearances.
In one year Foden will be as old as that Messi guy when he won the ballon D’or
In one year Foden will be as old as myself when I won the reserve indoor football league, I played 500 minutes that season.
The 2014/2015 Indoor reserve league champion and best defender
Staying patient with Emery but not Ozil
Good article from Alex Keble on Arsenal and the fans current go-to mentality of everything being pants and Emery being an incarnation of the world’s worst football manager/coach, whomever that may have been. I feel Alex was being slightly generous in gifting said Arsenal fans with the get out of being particularly anxious due to Wenger’s final years and the stagnation this brought. Personally I put it down to a thick-as-sh1t, everything is everyone else’s fault mentality. Give the man a damn chance – he was given a 2 year contract and he is just over half way through that now. Let’s just see where we’re up to come the end of the season. Also, how many of these fans actually go to the Emirates? If you do then you have a responsibility to be the ‘12th man’, lift the team, create a buzz. Don’t just sit there and expect to be handed a title challenge on a plate. Support your team: create an atmosphere and start to really hammer in a legacy of the Emirates being some form of fortress of colosseum, a place where other teams will be intimidated to play. This would be a good start and would certainly help the team….
One note I will pull Alex up on though. There seems to be this myth that Arsenal are deficient in the centre half position. Well we’re not. Sokratis, Luiz, Chambers, Holding, Mustafi with Saliba out on loan and to return for 2020/21 season. The fact that as a unit they can be petrifyingly naïve is down to mind set and coaching which is where Emery will earn his corn. But a back four of Tierney – Holding – Saliba – Bellerin (for next season) looks very different to the current manifestation of a defence and there is no investment required.
Also, a note from me on all the Ozil fan-boys out there. Emery’s preferred formation does not involve a no.10. Ozil is a no.10 with little capability, or intention, of adjusting his game. Whilst stats say Ozil has been decent on some occasions, I think we can all accept that by and large he has been bilge and his lack of work rate (it isn’t an ‘apparent’ lack of work rate, he just doesn’t work very hard) allied with his extortionate wages means he needs to be moved on. He was a luxury purchase, has been paid handsomely, has flattered to deceive on numerous occasions and now needs to go and pretend to try and pull up trees elsewhere.
Andy, (AFC fan with actual patience and a dollop of realism)
Arsenal are the real Cowboys
In response to the recent letter I had to clear up some errors regarding the comparisons between Man Utd and the Dallas Cowboys.
Whilst an interesting angle its just got some lazy comparisons in there. I am not sure if this is even a letter about football however I want to at least give a response.
Jerry Jones having no football experience – Jerry Jones was captain of the University of Arkansas team that won the national championship in the 60s. With college football the step before NFL Jerry knows the game and knows the sport. This statement is just not true that he meddles in trades. In fact in the last 6 or 7 years the Cowboys have struck gold with their drafting strategy which he is heavily involved in. If we want to compare this to Man Utd whos transfers have been more misses than hits.
The Cowboys have drafted Ezekiel Ellitot a top 3 running back, Leighton Van Der Esch a promising line backer, Dak Prescott a solid quarterback , Amari Copoper – one the leagues best receivers and their strategy of drafting strong linemen means the cowboys have enjoyed an offensive line that is consistently one of the best in the league.
Jerry Jones hiring and firing coaches on a whim? Dallas current coach has been there since 2010. There are currently calls for him to be gone however with Dallas reaching the playoffs 2 of the last 3 seasons he will continue as long as this remains.
It is hard to compare NFL to soccer in playing terms for many reasons.
1 – you cant develop your own players. You draft players from college teams where the foundation development is done. Theres no academy. Players enter college at 17/18 and leave 2-4 years later if eligible and good enough for the NFL draft. Man Utd can develop their own players to their own system. Dallas have to be smart and efficient. Theres no luxury of a youth and underage structure.
2 – you can be a victim of your own success. If you perform well you drop down the draft list meaning the top players go to the poorer teams Whilst its not perfect theres no opening the cheque book and forking out 85m for Harry Maguire to tighten up that leaky defence.
3 – theres a salary cap – Dallas cant also fork out whatever wages they wish – this needs to be worked around and within the league rules. Sorry Mr Sanchez cant do that 300k a week.
Also does the writer not now that the Glazers actually own an NFL team? The marketing and money making ideas are surely being fed to both organisations.
If you want a better comparision I would think Arsenal fits the mould better. Dallas had an outstanding period of success that laid the foundations for a growth strategy off the field that included a state of the art new stadium. Success didn’t follow however the playoffs (im going to call them the champions league places here) were reached every few years which when coupled with the strong finances was more than satisfactory to the money men. Lets not forget once in the playoffs you are only 3-4 games away from actually winning the Superbowl – so a champs league quarter final then? Dallas have obtained some excellent players over the years (Ramsey, Sanchez, RVP, Aubemayang) and are obsessed with finishing ahead of their rivals the Eagles and Redskins (Spurs).
So as a Dallas fan I very much look forward to some outstanding attacking football with a defence marshalled by Mustafi ☹
…Steve, Los Angeles makes a pretty cogent argument about the parallels between Dallas and Manchester United; most of his points will have been noted by American soccer fans who were around for United’s long period of dominance. However, he does get one thing wrong: the momentum on which Jones capitalized was *all downward. The team had gone 10-6, 7-9, 7-8 and 3-13 in the four years before he bought the club, and went 1-15 in his first year. There were a couple of significant players on the roster when he bought the team, but the Cowboys drafted Troy Aikman on the back of that 3-13 season two months after Jones became owner, and the team’s personnel (and results) started to improve from there. (You might find it amusing to note that I watched Dallas’s last Superbowl win from your Sceptered Isle.)
Steve is mostly right, mind, but Jones really did a lot to make the Cowboys better in the early days of his ownership. Most importantly, he picked the right coach at the first try; that’s something the Glazers *still haven’t managed.
Chris C, Toon Army DC
…Afraid I’m going to have to disagree with you Steve on a key aspect of your Dallas-United comparison (as an American Football obsessive who makes waaaaay too many comparisons on the sport).
Jerry Jones is an American Football obsessive who is only focused on winning (too much so, as he takes on the role of GM, trying to get involved in every football decision he possibly can).
He’s incredibly (too) loyal to players and coaches, attends every game and goes nuts on the sideline. I don’t actually think anyone on the planet cares more about the Cowboys than he does.
In fact, his massive success commercially has come despite not being able to put it together on the pitch, but he’d absolutely give that all up if it meant another Super Bowl win.
And the teams he’s put together haven’t been trash; snakebitten sure but regularly competitive.
In reality, United should be the Patriots, with Belichick as Alex Ferguson, and Brady as some hybrid Beckham/Ronaldo. Everyone hates them, but they don’t care, because they win.
Modern day United are definitely the Redskins. Stupid power structure, hamstrung coaches, feckless owner. Some reasonable pieces, but constantly wasted.
Arsenal are totally Green Bay. Liverpool are the Rams. City are the Chiefs. Spurs are the Vikings. Chelsea could be the Steelers (? – not great analogy but no successful teams in NFL change coach a lot).
Tom (Will halfheartedly defend any/all of the comparisons above), Walthamstow
Gerrard for Leeds?
I have read numerous times this week about how Leeds Utd are monitoring Steven Gerrard should their current incumbent Bielsa jump ship.
The online articles about this usually have Leeds fans crying out that they don’t want him. That he would be a massive step down and they would play far inferior football.
I don’t deny Gerrard is just starting out and Bielsa has been around a while. Im also not sure if the hate to Gerrard is due to his Liverpool roots.
What I do find annoying is the fact they seem to think he’d walk from Glasgow to get the job.
There is absolutely NO chance they could lure him….nada! You couldn’t even tempt Ryan Kent to choose Leeds over Rangers! Gerrard is fully invested in Rangers and it would take a far bigger club than Leeds to tempt him.
Btw Leeds fans do you remember McCoist and Hateley battering you out of Europe at Elland Road!
Just enjoy City and Liverpool
Long time reader, never published here. Jim makes some good points about being sated by witnessing a dominant spell by your club, although I’d still suggest dynasty should be used to discuss dominance via successive managers within a club. I think the best way to describe “dynasties” that are “highly dependent on individuals” would be era (who is talking about the Clough dynasty at Forest for example?)
Mind you, semantics aside, isn’t it just bloody brilliant to see these Liverpool and City sides – no point turning it into a ‘Messi or Ronaldo?’ discussion, just enjoy!
Dicky, AFC, London
Cracking mailbox for a) an International Week and b) On A Friday*. Well done to all involved. Particular highlights for me were Steve Marron from Los Angeles’ Cowboys / United comparison and fellow Liverpool fan Graham Kirk from Sunny Manchester’s WAGassassination. But the general standard was mercifully high (especially after a week of Paul ‘Bitter’ Murphy stinking the place out) so well done MC and well done fellow mailboxers.
For those are even half way interested I am known as an elephant to my friends. Not because I am especially heavy, grey or wrinkly or especially *ahem* but because I have a long memory. And I recalled a one-time, occasional mailboxer called Cliff Mallinder. He was one of those gratingly patriarchal and unnecessarily arrogant Gooners (though interestingly hasn’t been seen since they became shit) who claimed on a number of occasions that Liverpool were “no longer relevant”. So with that springing back to mind I would like to ask:
Would you say Liverpool are relevant these days, Clifford!?
Would you equally agree Arsenal are no longer relevant, Clifford!?
Hope you’re reading petal…
*Popfact – Radiohead were originally called On A Fridays which referred to the day they would rehearse and some early demo tapes have some rough tracks that made it onto Pablo Honey.
Gregory Whitehead, LFC
Just to let you all know that the only tears I have are from laughing at reeling in all your comments from my tongue firmly in cheek ribbing.
I understand we are an utter clusterf*ck at the moment, I also agree that football goes in cycles and our cycle currently has square wheels and no chain but what I was getting at is although 1990 Liverpool haven’t won the league since 1990 I don’t think United will go down a similar path. Why? For a start (and this is not being arrogant) United are the biggest global football team on the planet with revenues unrivalled (not sugar daddy money), this money will be ploughed back into the team if the parasites sorry Glazers see a drop off in revenue (see exhibit a: Chevy shirt deal), the only caveat I will put here is that Ole and his team are allowed to bring in the players they want rather than Ed big bollocks Woodward doing his usual statement signings. So there you go, I understand and fully agree we are 1 clown short of a full blown circus but we are also in a position of financial power to do something about it as long as the right people are allowed to do their job.
Paul Murphy, Manchester
Anything better outside Europe?
Paul asked if there are any teams that are not based in Europe that could rival the European elite super clubs, well we do have the FIFA Club World Cup in December to decide the “Best Team in the World”, spoilers looking at the line up of clubs so far, it will likely be Liverpool, so that is probably why Rodri is holding back in confirming Liverpool as “The Best In The World” because we all value that Club World Cup very much, okay maybe we don’t but back to the point.
The only teams that come to my mind that could potentially cause a few upsets if say it was a knock out style competition, would be from the MLS, sides such as LAFC, Seattle Sounders, Atlanta United and LA Galaxy, but over an entire 38 league game season I don’t feel they would do all that well, but in a knockout style competition it would be a fun watch.
Guess my answer to Paul is no, no there are no teams outside of Europe that could go the distance over an entire league season with the European elite.
D’you know what Armenia
Long-time reader, first-time contributor. I thought people might want to read something a little different on a Friday afternoon! I realise that the international break is not all that popular in some quarters, but as an Irishman I’m thoroughly looking forward to it. Why? Because Armenia are playing and I can’t wait.
I’ve been watching Armenia for a few years now (because my wife is Armenian and, luckily for me, loves football). They’re the ultimate Jekyll and Hyde team, the nadir coming with a 1-0 loss to Gibraltar at home before beating them 6-2 away. They’re often poor defensively but can be absolutely wonderful going forward. As Paul Merson would say, multiple times no doubt, they’re like a bag of Revels. However, there’s been a change in fortunes recently and the team ranked 96th in the world are in with a genuine shout of qualifying for their first ever major tournament.
Now, I might be slightly biased, but Armenia is an absolutely fascinating country full of wonderful people. They have an extremely sad, yet proud, history. A former Soviet state, they have endured years of corrupt governments since the collapse of the Soviet Union and are still considered to be a developing country. There were even rumours of government interference with the FA (amongst other far more unsavoury things). About 18 months ago, there was a peaceful revolution, ousting the previously corrupt government and ushering in a new one through a (properly) democratic election. People seem much happier now and there is a general sense of positivity that has been missing for too long. Okay, back to the football…
After narrowly losing to Bosnia away and disappointingly being beaten 2-0 by Finland at home in the first two games, things weren’t looking good. However, Armenia followed that up by cruising to victory over Liechtenstein before outplaying Greece in their own back yard in June to get their campaign back on track (3-2 flattered the hosts). Next up were Italy and Bosnia at home, both of which I went to. The atmosphere was absolutely electric, especially for Italy’s visit, 15,000 fans sounded like twice that and there was a real sense that something magic might happen after such a good result against Greece. Armenia went 1-0 against Italy after 10 minutes through their newfound talismanic striker Karapetyan and the place went crazy. I particularly like him because he’s one of the only Armenians I’ve seen who has ginger hair, and us gingers have to stick together. For 20 glorious minutes, Armenia were beating Italy! Alas, Italy equalised and then disaster struck, Karapetyan was harshly sent off just before half time for a second bookable offence and things looked bleak despite the parity at the break. The 2nd half was a bit of a surprise, Armenia had good chances to go in front and Italy’s dominant possession wasn’t getting them anywhere. Unfortunately for the hosts, Italy grabbed a couple of goals and ran out 3-1 winners. However, the performance was enough to keep the hope alive for the Bosnia game and I have to say, it’s one of the best games of football I’ve been to! Armenia went 1-0 up through Mkhitaryan after just 3 minutes, a real ding-dong battle ensued with Armenia doing enough to emerge 4-2 winners, despite the best efforts of Dzeko and co. I’m sure Mkhitaryan’s new Roma teammate enjoyed that…
Next up is Liechtenstein away on Saturday before a crucial tie away to Finland on Tuesday. If Armenia can win those they will be in a fantastic position to qualify, even a draw away to Finland might do it, depending on other results. It won’t be easy, Mkhitaryan is injured but Ozbiliz and Pizzelli are both back, along with Karapetyan following his suspension. Obviously I will be watching Ireland too, but it’s Armenia who are box-office for me at the moment.
Will (Hayastan! Hayastan! Hayastan!)
Well aware most people will read what I send in and immediately think the opposite, but it’s been a difficult few weeks and I’m beyond caring.
Occasionally the streams cross and one of my other lives strays over into football. Tomorrow is Non-League Day and clubs across the country are hoping for increased crowds, many running special offers to encourage people to go along. The official offer at Grantham Town is free gingerbread; unofficially, if you’re there and send me a tweet, I’ll autograph your programme for you. Non-League football clubs are a lot like pubs: cornerstones of their local communities, and in the face of ever-increasing operating costs, they rely heavily on footfall to survive; often kept going by a dedicated band of regulars, they have to also try to encourage others who often aren’t on their doorstep, to pay them a visit; in a lot of cases, going along is something plenty of people have always intended to do, but somehow never got round to it.
The trouble with this approach for pub is that on average about 20 pubs close every week. Fortunately for us, football clubs aren’t quite folding at the same rate, but in the same way, they need people’s support. It’s not quite the same as a charitable donation but it’s a similar principle – the “few” quid it costs to get in do actually make a difference to clubs, and it is often only a few quid. It’s not for me to comment on other people’s financial states, but the amount I pay to watch Step 3 (with free entry for kids) makes the cost similar to entry to a museum that takes an hour to go round, and a lot cheaper than taking the family to the cinema, even before the cost of refreshments is factored in. At most grounds, even an extra ten people going along to see what the football’s like will make a noticeable difference to the team’s coffers, money used for keeping the club afloat, rather than small change in millionaires’ pockets.
What this all boils down to is to say that if you’ve always wondered what your local Non-League club’s level was like, this is the perfect opportunity to find out, and I’d definitely encourage everyone to do that – a chance to watch some live football happening in front of your face for a relatively low cost. It won’t break the bank, even for families. If you can call at a local pub for a responsible drink before or after the game too, then even better.
Ed Quoththeraven (whose favourite pub has a bird in its name)